~ Remembering Debbie ~

Robert Garcia - 12/27/98 03:01:24
My Email:robb6093@concentric.net
Locality: Anaheim
State/ Prov: CA
Approx. Age: 51
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
I was in a Christian Clut. It is called "The Bible Speaks. The number one reason I was traped in was because of my lack of knowledge on the Bible. I was a young baby Christian when I got sucked in. The pastors last name was DeVoid. They wanted you to give all that you own and give to their church. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST WARNING SIGN. I spent a year in that cult. The pastor is like a Moses. You didn't question his preaching, or you question God.



Martha Acevedo - 12/26/98 12:31:51
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/8423/
My Email:marthaacevedo@geocities.com
State/ Prov: Santafe de Bogotá
Country: Colombia
Approx. Age: 37
Family, if any: yes...
Faith, if any: christian

Comments:
Thanks for write me.... sorry because my english is terrible... Iam from Spain and misionary here in Colombia....but is fine read... I can understand your feelings for all that... is terrible!! BUT remember..... JESUS is the Lord... and his justice is same that his love!! I don't know you, but I feel love for you and your family.. Always I see in some chuch how a pastor, manipula? the people of the congregación... that's is very bad and terrible mistake... Please know that we pray for you in this time I love too Martha



Chris - 12/26/98 00:19:32
My URL:http://fly.to/MrCool
My Email:chrisman@geocities.com
Locality: St. Louis
State/ Prov: MO
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 17
Family, if any: Dad, Mom, Bro, Sis (in-law), and nephew (all in the same house)
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
I couldn't agree more. Thank you for inviting me.



- 12/23/98 18:29:06

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Rev. Dennis Austin - 12/20/98 03:30:53
My URL:http://members.xoom.com/cevm/cevm.htm
My Email:cevm@salisbury.net
Locality: Salisbury
State/ Prov: North Carolina
Country: United States
Approx. Age: 43
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
Thank you for sending me the e-mail to visit your site. Thank you for sharing. The Love of Christ is seen and felt here. God Bless. See my website



Leslie Alan, Winters - 12/20/98 01:39:33
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/1797/
My Email:lesalan@flash.net
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: U.S.ofA.
Approx. Age: 52
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Israelite

Comments:
I know that words are cheap at times like this, and the only thing to do is turn to the Lord for help and advice. He says to try the spirits to see which the are from, not all are good. God is love, but you also have to do as He says in 2Thes. 5:21, and t at is to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good. I am sorry for your daughters death, but don't worry, she is sleeping and will awaken when Christ comes back at the resurection (the seventh, and last trump). Doctors are here for our good als , if they were not then Christ would of said so, but did He not tell the Pharisees in Mark 2:17, that the ones that are sick are the ones that need a physician, and the ones that are well didn't! Your answers are in His guid book to life if you learn how o look for it the way He says, and not the way man says to. Please don't give up on the Lord, but try to learn just who He really is and you will be OK. I mean this in Godly love. Les.



Rev. Richard Fulmer - 12/19/98 21:14:16
My Email:Rtravelin@aol.com
State/ Prov: Missouri
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 48
Faith, if any: Christian (Southern Baptist)

Comments:
My dear Friends: My heart aches for you. I had a good friend that I believed was a godly man. A pastor who loved GOD and people. But he developed adult onset diabetes. He left his church and joined with a church that taught the same as your former cult. they told him that if he really would trust in god and pray he would be healed of the problem. They told him to not take his medication. Then he got sick. They said prayer and faith healing would heal him. they didn't know that that he had a started bleeding internaling from an aneursim. He died. They said, tolf his family he didn't have enough faith. I hope that they burn in the deepest part of hell. I will pray for your family and beg you to know the true living GOD never told us to stay away from the doctors He gave to us to help heal us. In Christ R. Fulmer



Rev. Sam Martin - 12/18/98 14:02:48
My Email:pastormartin@hotmail.com
State/ Prov: IL
Country: Madison
Approx. Age: 46
Faith, if any: Baptist

Comments:
I think you were wrong to not take her to the Doctors. Please note God uses them to accomplish His plan. God does heal but not always in the way we expect Him to. I had a young man's funeral of some parents in my church who would not take my advice and they went off to some healer and they still didn't get any help. Finally when they came back and took my advice they were too late. It may be too late for Debbie but maybe this mistake will not be made again. Rev. Sam Martin



R Dickson - 12/17/98 10:15:56
My Email:rdickson@plix.com

Comments:
I read Dad's page. Consider the word evil in the greek in the open of Galatians. Jesus freed us from this present evil age..... I think that it is spelled ponayos. It means grevious labor and if you chain it through it is talking of slavery. The real ssue of the gospel is being dead and not knowing purpose or design of own life, blindly following another. Jesus died at the hands of those he accused of not entering into the kingdom and preventing the others from entering. It is a public testamony for all men in all ages to know that the leaders may not be acting in our best interests. Jesus in his discussion with Peter states that flesh has not revealed who he was to Peter but his Father. On this Jesus said he would build his church. Each of us has the ability to delineate God for himself. There was a passage in one of the epistiles about false teachers and not needing a teacher as we have the annointing that was in the beginning. If you even journal your thoughts and observations of the world arou d you after months you will notice recurring themes and see pattern. You might try an "on line" Bible for study. It is King James, but has the lexicons and a number of commentaries included. I love mine and it has been hellpful in my searching for truth. Richard



R Dickson - 12/17/98 10:00:16
My Email:rdickson@plix.com
Locality: Mountaintop
State/ Prov: Eastern Wa. State
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 49
Family, if any: f,m,c
Faith, if any: Protestant

Comments:
I have been a businessman and the thing about the world is that it has responded to the Judeao/Christian teachings. We live in a contract society and are not under feudalism. You couldn't run a country with 250 million plus without a moral foundation, a archy could not possibly supply our daily needs. Paul's revelation is that we are all one, inside and outside the temple. (no Jews or Gentiles, but one) Jesus died at the hands of the temple leaders not the "world". God's program is not them against us. After our little sojourn with an abberant group, we returned to the church I was raised in. We almost lost our daughter this summer and I am glad for the mature Christians who could reach out to us in our troubles. It was interesting to note that some of the totalistic folks that we have known could look right past the little girl in the whee chair and blabber on about their problems that are as yet still unsolved. I have seen complete strangers come to tears, and yet these folks we spent so much time with are dead emotionally and stalled out in their lives. We noticed while with them that t ey couldn't even love on their own children, but were ever centered on themselves. Legalism gets a bad wrap, but it is the middle ground between God's jail and God's heart. Most people are able to obey the rules of the society and love on each other an each other's children. In facing the possible loss of our only child, we know that God is soverign. It has been difficult enough, but it felt like we were in a play and there were so many people placed around us to encourage us despite the poor prognosis by the doctors. There were just too many for it to have been coincidence. We were in a city 100 miles from our home. Don't judge yourself too harshly. As Paul taught we are but a tent of flesh in this time here. All God seems to want from us in this life is to learn to love outside ourselves. Some of us are not very quick studies. Your daughter has been excused rom training. If God wanted her here she would be here in spite of any thing that was done one way or the other. I am sure of it after watching the chess game He played with us this summer. I read in a magazine that the best friends that you will ever have are those people you raise your children with. Find some solid folks who are not lost to their children and play together. Ann Landers had a piece about a man and what he learned ea h decade of his life and in his fifth decade he learned that dogs are mans best friend and dogma is not. Leave the God stuff to God and go play. Jesus said that there was no sign but the sign of Jonah for the wicked and adulterous generation (lost?) . f one wanders there is the fish hotel where God takes away their options. God teaches by show and tell not by Bible thumping and cult hunting. May God bless you and give you his peace. R Dickson.



Rev Mattie Westbrook - 12/10/98 17:17:46
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/8683/christian_page.html
My Email:pz.tool@usa.net
Locality: Lubbock
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: Lubbock
Approx. Age: 56-65
Family, if any: 2 children and 4 grandboys (one in Heaven at 5 weeks)
Faith, if any: Baptist filled with His Spirit

Comments:
I'm sorry for your loss. I had cancer 3 times and the Lord did heal me after the drs. gave up on me. We do not know why except--sometimes God needs them home to make heaven a place for us to want to come to. May He heal the hurting and pain you feel as well as the doubts. One thing I had was His word to me that He would heal me if I did what He said in James 5. My church did not believe in "faith-healing" and would not do this. Finally He led me to a church in Phoenix and they did what the Lord said n James 5 and I am still here. One of the things my drs. said when I developed cancer again after 13 years was "we cannot do anything for you but you survived for these 13 years and we see no reason why you won't survive this one as well. There was no c emo to give me and they would kill me if they gave me any more radiation. I had had my limit! That was is 1985. My drs finally made a chemo that they felt would work on my cancer and gave it to me. Praise God I am still here, whether from the chemo or just God's healing me, I do not know! Why did I survive, when Debbie is "at Home?" I have no answer but God's will be done in earth as it is in heaven. There were 5 ladies to come down with cancer in my church and died. Why, when I survived? Only God knows! I still had work to do that He had called me to, I believe! I believe Heaven is sweeter if it holds our loved ones and draws us there. I have a little sister in Heaven. Now a mom and dad and one grandchild who lived only 5 weeks. Why? I do not know. I only know that God has a plan and is working his plan and we will "understand it better by and by" Would I have taken Debbie to the dr. yes, but you did what you thought best at the time. Maybe you wouldn't do that now. Forgive yourselves and your church and go on. "All things work together for good to those who love the Lord and are the called acc rding to His purpose. I found, like you, that when I got sick that the "sinners" were more concerned about me than some of my friends in the church. I too learned that God uses whoever He wills to minister to us in our needs. Sometimes for their sakes as well as ours.. May God richly bless you and your remaining children and give you joy, peace, love and understanding at this season and all through the years to come. You can see my short version of my healing testimony on my pages if you wish. My love and hope I extend to you Your sister in Christ Mattie



Diane Meeks - 12/07/98 04:07:32
My URL:http://wwp.mirabilis.com/12101005
My Email:dmmeeks@Eohio.net
Locality: Hopedale
State/ Prov: Ohio
Country: United States of America
Approx. Age: 51
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Christian/Methodist

Comments:
I can't find the words to say what I feel..Only that I love you and your family; and will pray for the Lord's continued healing. May you find "His" peace and "His" fogiveness....and may you learn to forgive yourselves..Unless we have walked in your steps; we don't know your pain. God bless and keep you in His hands....Love and prayers...Diane :)



David Crawford - 12/07/98 00:25:27
My URL:http://home.fam.net/dreamcenter
My Email:dreamcentertour@hotmail.com
Locality: Los(t) Angeles
State/ Prov: Ca.
Country: USA
Approx. Age: Hmmm...
Family, if any: Body of Christ
Faith, if any: Pentacostal but mostly Jesus

Comments:
Thanks for informing me of your site! Come visit the Dream Center! Jesus Still Rules!




Dar Sikorski - 12/06/98 20:34:14
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7803
My Email:jgsik@epix.net
Locality: Northeast
State/ Prov: Pennsylvania
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 44
Family, if any: Husband of 25 years: Jim, 3 beautiful gifts from God: Jenn, Steph and Amanda
Faith, if any: Baptist

Comments:
Thank you for sending me the URL for you site. What a touching story and I praise God that you have remained faithful to Him through all you tough times. We are also Christian homeschoolers. God bless you as you train up your children for Him.



Chriscelia R. DeVazquez - 12/06/98 20:20:21
My Email:chriscelia@ccnmail.com
Locality: San German
State/ Prov: Puerto Rico
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 50
Family, if any: husband & one son 23 yrs. old
Faith, if any: I'm the only christian in my family.

Comments:
Nowadays is very important to show the people the difference between the cults and christianity. Some cults are taking advantage from people who do not have the wisdom of the Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord that He opened the eyes of Debbie's family. It is ve y sad the story but it will serve to show others not to trust the men but Jesus. Say that the doctors were put there to serve people,and we christians are people, too. We go first to Jesus, pray and then go to the doctor whenever is necessary. May the peace of our savior - Jesus be with Debbie's family and continue with their faith in the Lord. God bless you all. CHRISCELIA



Lone Wolf - 12/06/98 17:19:29
My Email:ralph@eurekanet.com
State/ Prov: Ohio
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 42
Family, if any: Wife and My Son
Faith, if any: Belieaver in the Blood of Christ

Comments:
I am Very sorry to here of your Loss I to Beliave God Will Heal us But he uses Different tools to do the Healin He Heals with his Word and sometimes we heal our selfs with our Faith But there are times he uses other people too for healin Doctors being one tool he does us he give them the Will to learn and I beliave he Gides they Hands as they Perform His blessed works . We are all Son's and Daughter of God



Terri Butler - 12/06/98 11:41:25
My Email:TerrisEmail
Locality: Belton
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: United States of America
Approx. Age: 30
Family, if any: mother, fathr
Faith, if any: Christian raised in Pentecostal background

Comments:
All I can say about reading your web page is that everyone makes mistakes. I think some people can get too caught up in legalism (through cult like practices). I also believe that if a person becomes ill-- especially if the illness can be treated by a d ctor (even cancer) that every effort should be made to seek treatment. I am grieved when I read your page and find that some people at your former church got you all to not seek a doctor's help and care with Debbie but I don't and can't judge the decisions you made. I hope that even as a result of Debbie's death that you all as a family will become closer than ever and I am really sorry about your loss. I hope that you all will one day find a church that not only teaches the Bible but also beleives in a person getti g medical help when needed. God bless you all and I hope that things start looking up for you all as a family! I am really sorry about Debbie's death and I know you are all still in a healing and possibly grieving process because of everything that happened. No you did not fail your daughter. You did what you thought was the best course of action at the time so noone can really blame you for the decision you made with Debbie at the time! You can e-mail me back if you would like to as I am interested in the kinds of things you have mentioned in your web page and if you have anyone you need to talk to, feel free to e-mail me at any time! By the way, I do have a web page of my own but I lost the code to get to it. Just do a search of my web page uder Terri Butler and my web page should come up. I was a victim of abuse and incest and wrote a book and poems about my experiences and how I was able to cope with it all and eventually heal from it. I would like for you to go to my web page sometime and comment on it and sign my guest book and e-mail e with any reactions you may have. Again I lost the code to give to people to get to my web page but just do a search under the name Terri Butler and my web page should come up for you! Please read the book with caution as it has discribtions of the abuse I went through and how I eventual y healed from it. Please read it and sign my guest book and e-mail me with any comments you have as I want to help as many people as I can who have suffered from the kinds of things I went through. I went to a Christian counselor for 3 years and had and still have a good support system of friends and that really helps alot plus I have forgiven my parents for everything they have done to cause me harm and feel like a totally new person! Take care and I look forward to hearing from you again! I am sorry for your loss of Debbie but you did what you thought was right and noone can really blame you as you did what you thought was in Debbie's best interest. Sincerely, Terri L. Butler



Believer - 12/06/98 10:36:14
My Email:onetruegod@hotmail.com
Country: Canada
Approx. Age: 39
Faith, if any: Born Again Christian

Comments:
I am truly sorry that you and your family had to go through that. I am so sorry that you got caught up in that cult.. but I am sure that it came from your deep desire to know and to worship the living God and I am sure that though some mistakes were made .God sees your heart and will work all things out for good because you love Him.



ShirlZ - 12/06/98 09:24:30
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/2692/index.html
My Email:darrju@yahoo.com
State/ Prov: Indiana
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 53
Family, if any: 1 girl, 1 boy and 1 soon to be grandchild
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
God always has His reasons, so please do not blame yourselves. God knows what is best for all of us. Debbie has attanined what we are all looking for, to be with God in all His glory, what a celebration. It is hard for the people left behind, I know, I lost my mother a year ago. A few days after my mother's passing, I received a beautiful poem in the m il, I still have no idea where it came from. I'm convinced God had a hand in this. Please go over to my website and read the tribute to my mom. Maybe it will bring as much comfort to you as it did to me. God bless you and your wonderful family. Your friend in Christ



Joan Butler - 12/06/98 05:40:31
My Email:jbu123456@aol.com
Locality: Oklahoma City
State/ Prov: Oklahoma
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 43
Faith, if any: Blood Bought Born-Again Christian

Comments:
Yes God does use Drs. and others But HE CAN HEAL!!! We CAN have enough Fath that he will Use these people. But if HE chooses not to then it still is a answer to our prayers. We forget that his ways are not our ways and his time is not our time His is MU H HIGHER!! He answers in 3 ways yes, no and wait!! This wasn't a mistake the family made by trusting God it was a mistake when they let Satan bring in Doubt!! I we ask BELIEVING in His name It Is done!!!. So if the parents believed then God was faithful My Bro.-In-Law is a prime examplre he went in for a heart by-pass even though he has Lupus and his veins in his legs weren't good they had to use what they had or he would die. The men of the church took off work and met in one accord at the church and itervined on his behalf for the 6 hrs. he was in surgery. He came through the surgery with flying colors but the Drs. hat nicked his voice box and made a small hole in his lungs (so much for men). But even though the Drs. told him he would NEVER talk ag in above a whisper and remember this was what they had done, He asked God to allow him to have his voice and he would use it to proclaim his Love and faithfullness!! And to the Drs. amazement 3 weeka later he is talking as normal as ever!! He is now Pra sing the Lord in away he had never befor done, Publicly!!. So when it is our time we will go if not not EVEN Drs. can kill us!!



Jerry W. Jones Sr., Ph.D. - 12/06/98 04:50:22
My Email:drjay@dtgnet.com
Locality: Irene
State/ Prov: South Dakota
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 61
Family, if any: 6 children/1 in Heaven & wife
Faith, if any: Independent Baptist

Comments:
It is sad that so many so-called "Christian" faiths don't realize that Jesus Himself said, "They that be whole need not a physician." If the whole don't need a physician, then it must be that He was telling us that when they are sick, they do. I grieve with you in your loss. We lost a child to drowning, which is far more traumatic than when a death is expected, but I know no comfort to you in your loss. I pray your child knew the Christ of Heaven, and that she and my son, Timothy, have seen each other and rejoicing in the presence of the Lord.



Pastor Craig Debinski - 12/04/98 22:26:10
My Email:CraigDebinski@msn.com
State/ Prov: NJ

Comments:
Dear precious, precious people, How sad to hear that you have suffered so much. God is grieved and hurt by those who have hurt you. I pray God will lead you into a real Bible believing and caring Church so true believers may minister to you. Feel free to respond, if God leads you. H loves you and so do I. Pastor Craig Debinski, BA, MA, Ph.D. candidate



Cass Sepeda - 12/04/98 22:17:10
My URL:http://www.nb.net/~witness/
My Email:witness@nb.net
Locality: Bedford
State/ Prov: Pennsylvania
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 35
Family, if any: Husband
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
May God continue to shed His mercy and grace on you! I hope that you don't blame yourselves for your loss. God has His purposes. I remember my wake up call vividly...the night I prayed that God would protect my friend from death because he was so needed i this world only to find out that he died on the operating table! I learned how often I pray from selfish motives, trying to make it seem unselfish and right. I know my friend is with God and I smile through the tears because of his happiness. And I am so thankful that I learned so much from him in life and in death. We can trust God to know what is best. Remember what Joseph said about his brothers having sold him into slavery: "although you meant it for harm, God meant it for good!" Love in Christ, Cass



- 12/04/98 07:45:11

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James McCleese - 12/04/98 07:14:18
My Email:jimy2140@webtv.net
Locality: kalida
State/ Prov: oh
Country: us
Approx. Age: 28
Family, if any: Wife and son
Faith, if any: Non denominational

Comments:
Peace and Grace be unto you from our father in heaven...I do not think that your story is too culty.(not to be blamed on a cult). It is my feeling and the way that God has developed in me to reason with good and bad experiences. Remember Job. He was a goo faithful man as I feel that your family is. He too was stripped from his blessings,, but a whole lot more!!! Your family is blessed with so many children. To have had so large a family with out doctor intervention is a miracle in itself!! Dont Dont Dont oose faith. Your daughter Debbie is in heaven. She too sees your pain and it hurts her to see you that way. Praise God I said PRAISE God for all the blessings that you do have , and all the things that you don't. Satan asked permission to afflict your fam ly with this and he agreed in the uderstanding that he knew you could survive and be strengthened unto good works , wisdom to help others and be a testimony to him that sent him. LOVE S.O.C.



Tony St. James - 12/04/98 01:05:54
My Email:Ace@feedback.net.ar
Locality: Buenos Aires
State/ Prov: Buenos Aires
Country: Argentina
Approx. Age: 33
Family, if any: Yes
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
To Debbie´s family, I´m really sorry about what happened to Debbie, what I read broke my heart. I don´t know if you still believe in God, but not all the Christians are like that brother. God bless you. I´m not father yet, so I don´t know what it feels to lose a child, but my heart will be with you and for Debbie´s memory forever.



Bob Ashley - 12/02/98 17:35:29
My URL:http://www.dayofthechild.org
My Email:Bob.Ashley@SDInc.com
Locality: Simi Valley
State/ Prov: CA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 45
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
Hi, I am so sorry you lost your daughter and I am incapable of fully empathizing. One thought, however, struck me as I read your courageous page. You belonged to a so-called "Christian" cult which encouraged you not to seek help essentially because you sh uld trust in God, not in Man. The irony is you never would have failed to seek treatment for your daughter if you had not "trusted in Man"-- in this case the cult leader. In my study of the Bible I've never seen any indication I or my family should not eek medical care when sick other than possibly a few verses which could be taken out of context. These verses which suggest God is sufficient for everything could, I suppose, also be used to "prove" that I shouldn't take my car to a mechanic or my shoes o a shoe repair shop. To sum up my thoughts I pray you are not now discouraged or have abandoned your faith in our Lord Jesus. He remains the Way the Truth and the Life. My understanding is that a Christian's practical alternative to trusting in Man is personal study of the Word of God augmented by works of trusted Bible commentators and wise counsel. From there it is the Spirit of God revealed through prayer which is to provide us critical day-to-day practical answers to life's dilemmas. Anyway, than you for your site. God Bless You.



Christian - 12/01/98 02:44:05
My Email:exposit@napanet.net
Locality: Napa
State/ Prov: CA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: Over the Hill...
Family, if any: Married and four...
Faith, if any: A humble follower of our Lord Jesus Christ

Comments:
Thanks for the opportunity to feel your sorrow and joy in the midst of your trial. What a precious gift your daughter was while living...and what a reminder of what we will become in the twinkling of an eye. May God richly bless you as you follow His al sufficient Word. Until then...hanging out at the foot of the cross.



- 11/30/98 20:40:23

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Bill Kollar - 11/30/98 20:35:16
My Email:WCKollar@aol.com
Locality: Omaha
State/ Prov: NE
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 52
Faith, if any: Pastor, Free Methodist Church

Comments:
Thank you for this page. May you find comfort in knowing that Debbie is well and is with God.



Michele - 11/30/98 19:07:24
Family, if any: 7 children
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
I was amrried to a man who appeared to all, to be an enthusiastic member of our old testament church. He came from a background of drugs and violence and held the Lord up as his reason for recovery. I came from a family where abuse was common and so fel easily into acceptance of his overbearance and violence. I bear my own abuse at his hands as a lack of self-esteem and stupidity , but my children's abuse, I will never forgive myself for. The worse came when I came home from a walk ( I too lived in rural Northern CA) witha friend, and found my husband crying in the living room about how sorry he was... My heart sunk, thinking one of the children was dead (he was NEVER sorry) I found my li tle boy Danny with a huge black eye and bruises all around his throat. I immediately called our pastor (fearing and not trusting county intervention) and after a very brief counseling session, the pastor called my husband forgiven said that all parents m ke mistakes! Well, the violence escalated after that, he had the Church's blessings. soon, I reported him to the county and filed a restraining order and after a couple of months counseling (again with the church -new congregation) we reunited. This ti e it took until I was hurt from an accident on the job (he would not work regularly, so I had to do so- for 10 years) and had to live at home day in and day out to see the overall ugly tone that our home had. My children and I walked in fear, always see ing to please him on one hand (his approval was a wonderful thing) and to curse him on the other. Eventually, my slow decline began - we had moved (again) and I could not work, he would not work,... I attempted permanent escape -suicide. After hospitalization and medication for depression, I began to see my real options much clearer. I served my last restraining order along with divorce papers (we were not under a church at this time and had nto been so for awhile - in the city, they wer not quite so accepting of him) and within 24 hours - we were free, ! It was not easy after that. my 5 boys were finally able to talk about their fear and anger and I was the only one to blame... I lost one to rebellion and he now lives on his own (quite well) at 17. I met and married the most gentle and loving man whos 2 children played with my 2 youngest. now with 7 , we have a full house! It is not always a quiet one and tempers do flare - but no one is ever in doubt of being loved. My ex-husband found a church who would support him (he was back on drugs for much of the marriage and I didn't knwo or want to -I guess) It has been over 3 years and they are just now seeing him... Churches are made up of people and people are capable of mistakes. Doctrines are MAN's ideas on the teachings of Christ. NO MAN HOLDS THE KEYS TO HEAVEN. Praise God you saw that and it saved your remaining children. You sound like loving , caring pare ts. God bless you - and I am sure he has. When ever I punish myself too much and let the boys anger get to me, I remember Christ dying for me - for all my sins, and ask myself -wasn't it enough?



Bob Krajcik - 11/29/98 20:19:58
My URL:http://userpages.bright.net/~bkrajcik/mainsitemap.htm
My Email:Rek1947@aol.com
Locality: Mansfield
State/ Prov: Ohio
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 52
Faith, if any: Baptist

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Visit my Problem of Suffering Page



Bill R. - 11/28/98 19:30:42
Faith, if any: christian

Comments:
My heart just goes out to you! Many people truly want to please the Lord, but if they are new in the faith and have nobody to help them to know the Lord and to understand the scriptures, it is so very easy for someone to get confused and to follow a "fait " the sounds good abd logical. In my opinion, you didn't fail your daughter Debbie, christian believers who could see what was going on failed you. This goes on far too much in this day and age. Thank you for being willing to share this very personal and rivite experance with the public!!! I honestly believe that God will use this to wake some people up to the true danger of cults and the deception that they spread. May God Bless You, Bill R.



"Avasha" - 11/28/98 15:30:59
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/7142
My Email:unicorn@ntslink.net
State/ Prov: IL
Approx. Age: 33
Family, if any: many
Faith, if any: S. Baptist

Comments:
God was smart when he created man. He gave us the "brains" to learn -- we learn from our mistakes, we learned about our bodies (medicine) and we learn from right and wrong. We don't have the ability to tell what the future holds. If we could we wouldn' need God to be faithful and trusting him to guide us on the right path. Sure we stumble - that proves we are human. Did you stop to think that Debbie's case was to open your eyes to be able to be closer/wiser/smarter with your other children?



W J DAVIDSON - 11/28/98 06:07:43
My Email:wjdavidso@ees.eesc.com
Locality: ROMEO
State/ Prov: MICHIGAN
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 55
Family, if any: 6 CHILDREN 16 GRAND
Faith, if any: A CULT ACCORDING TO YOU

Comments:
It is a shame to have such an article about someone who whole heartedly believes God. To paint such a picture. There are many who trust in doctors and they do not recieve healing. Why don't you quit God for that and call them malpractioners what about job he was perfect and upright and look what God allowed in his life. Was God unjust. You paint a dim picture of God. If Debbie was God's she is in a better place than we who must still strive to make heaven our home. Unless of course you may be eive you are saved without works. This article is more an enemy to the work of God than a help. Is everything that prays and trusts God a cult? Can anybody pray and trust God? Or do we all have to meet up with the state officials ideas of what should be instead of what the bible says. Those who do not have faith to many times condemn others who have it to justify there own ungodly lifestyle. You have taken an isolated case and made the men who trust God look evil. You could very well be respons ble for the destruction of a family by laughing and making sham out of people who have faith and trust God. They have ten kids left they can send them to the doctors and hopefully they can live good healthy lives. But someday they will die...who will they trust then. Isn't the resurrection going to be a miralce the doctors won't and can't perform? I have seen many healings from God...but when you see one isolated and difficult case you condemn the religous as a cult...why don't you to that to the isolated cases the do tors can't cure? Sincerly yours, W. J. Davidson



- 11/28/98 02:55:51

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- 11/28/98 02:16:09

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Dear Shepherd's, My wife and I have been Christians for over 20 years. Our two daughters are grown and saved. God has blessed us so abundantly over the years it would take too much time to tell you the whole story. I know people who have escaped from cults and people w o are still in them. This causes so much pain and grief. We believe in devine healing, but we have also seen good Christian men and women die of cancer and other sicknesses. We have seen God , through doctors, heal people. We give God the glory ultimately for all healing. If God has given weak, stumbling, im erfect people the task of spreading the Gospel, we believe He can use other earthen vessels (doctors) in the task of being instruments for healing. Personally, I don't think that you failed Debbie. I think you have made some bad judgments, but who of us haven't. God is a loving, caring, forgiving God who doesn't give us answers to all of our questions the instant we ask them. I don't know why God took little Debbie home at such a young age, but I do know this. His ways are above my ways and His thoughts are above my thoughts. We lost a grandson to a premature birth. We grieved like I'm sure you grieved for Debbie. But I be ieve with all of my heart that I will see Michael and know him when the Lord calls me home. I'm glad that you are out of that cult and pray that God blesses you richly. Yours in Christ Don Townsend



Jul Foust - 11/27/98 23:26:51
My URL:http://www.angelfire.com/md/GodsScriptures
My Email:trujul@webtv.net
Locality: Milwaukee
State/ Prov: WI
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 35
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Pentecostal

Comments:
I truly believe that God give us doctors, government and other things to help him. I also believe that divine healing can also take place and when God is wanting it that way. Please also believe that not all faiths are true and honest to the Word of God. hank you, your page is inspiration to us all.



charles garvey - 11/27/98 20:26:21
My Email:cgarvey@voyager.net
Locality: Hastings
State/ Prov: Mi 49058
Approx. Age: 56
Family, if any: Wife, 3 sons, 2 daughter-in-laws
Faith, if any: Reformed Baptist

Comments:
Brother: I grieve with you over your loss. Likewise, I grieve with you over the hurt your church caused to your spiritural growth. I rejoice with you, however, that God remains faithful. I am confident your son will come to faith through what he has gone through. have witnessed many times-even with my own sons- a spirit of rebellion, that ultumately ends in faith. We can not live our children's lives,only pray for them and be there for them. When their period of rebellion ends, they will look UP !! God Bless You. Charles Garvey



Gail - 11/27/98 18:26:54
My Email:mredman@execulink.com

Comments:
Good morning! My heart goes out to the couple who lost their daughter. Thankyou Jesus that they thru their brokenhearts would reach out to help others in you're name. What awesome saints of God! I've noticed in a lot of mainline churches lately an increasing amount of strange teachings, and control. I think all these things are the beginnings of cultish behaviour maybe, some Leadership start out with Godly intentions, but power goes to nourish their ego's and before ya know it the fruit starts to turn very sour. Thus, some turn into a cult, if they on't repent and increase this behaviour? Bless ya's....Gail



Lee Rupert - 11/27/98 14:03:44
My Email:dad@apollotrust.com
State/ Prov: PA
Approx. Age: 38
Family, if any: wife, son, daughter
Faith, if any: Minister Church of God

Comments:
I was deeply touched by your web page. I will not sit here and tell you if you done wrong or not. I am not the Judge. The most important thing is that you have learned through it all. And if you feel that you have done wrong, please, ask God for forgiv ness. Continue to allow God to heal your broken hearts. And I assure you, I will be praying for all of you. In Christ Love.



jusvisitin - 11/27/98 08:18:53
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2094/death.html

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I believe good has already come from this tragedy. The bible says in Romans that God can take the righteous to save them from the evils of this world. Debbies passing may have saved not only her but your whole family from the evils involved with cults. I thank God that you have seen that man was to blame for this terrible thing and that your faith has been lifted and not destroyed. We all must pass through the valley's to attain the mountain tops. For some of us those valley's are deeper than for others and yours has truly been a deep valley. Please visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2094/death.html (and) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2094/healed.html and may God Bless you.



Patricia Tidd - 11/27/98 06:31:38
My URL:http://home.earthlink.net/~ratsnest
State/ Prov: Maryland
Approx. Age: 47
Faith, if any: Lutheran

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Rev. Sam Shoaff - 11/27/98 03:16:59
My Email:shoaf@ben.net
Locality: Cleveland
State/ Prov: OH
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 46

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My heart and prayers go to you as you heal from your loss. I admire your courage for publicizing your regrettable family trauma in this way, as well as for the honesty with which you reach out for the truth that IS from God.



Robert D. Grob - 11/26/98 12:24:44
My Email:rdgrob@southwind.net
Locality: N. Newton
State/ Prov: KS
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 48
Family, if any: None
Faith, if any: Trust in Jesus as Lord and Savior

Comments:
II Cor. 1:3-4. Debbies life purpose was fulfilled and what you are doing here is part of God's intention for you. Comfort others with the comfort He has given you. You have not failed Debbie - the cult/church failed you. Sometimes there are no easy answers. Here is a sonnet I wrote about a similar spiritual battle... A Wounded Friend. I weep for him, my brother and my friend, Sprawled across the ramparts in this war - The battle got too hot and in the end He lay there, blinded, bleeding on the floor. I try to patch him up - my touch brings pain - And he resists. Confused, he fights my touch But knowing he needs help, I try again For wounds long left untreated fester much. I long to see him strong and well and whole But know this wound is far too deep for me, So ask the great Physician of the soul To operate and heal and help him see. No battle is without its casualties; Our Great Physician knows all remedies. *Dedicated to Pat Martin Copyright 1994 by Robert Grob Permission Granted for web page use.



- 11/26/98 10:43:16
My Email:david-charles@worldnet.att.net

Comments:
I am truly grieved to read this. May God give us all mercy for our foolishness and sin.



Joyce Rogers - 11/24/98 16:27:57
My URL:http://ablacksista.web-page.net
My Email:ablacksista@hotmail.com
Country: Texas
Approx. Age: 42
Faith, if any: Jesus

Comments:
When you do a good work, it‘s a blessing to the lives of others. Thanks for the invitation. I am so glad you sent it. Though I have never been a in cult. I have seen cultic type influences in churches that are not "a cult". This site is very benefici l to everyone. This is an issue that everyone should have some knowledge on, because one day it may be needed! May God increase in all knowledge and wisdom.

Joyce Rogers
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/5353


Jessica - 11/24/98 05:11:38
My Email:jessicam@protel.com.au
State/ Prov: N.S.W
Country: Sydney
Approx. Age: 14
Family, if any: Mum,Dad,Jeremy and Jason brothers,Jennifer Sister
Faith, if any: Bahai

Comments:
Please don't ignore this just because I am 14!! You have not in any way failed your daughter you didn't know so it isn't your fault but it is good that you understand that God comes in MANY forms and that other people are capable of helping you even if th y aren't as strong as believers like you are. But just remember God is always there for you no matter what so you can always ask for help. I hope this is understood cause even if I'm 14 I understand.



Doug Renz - 11/23/98 02:22:56
My URL:http://members.tripod.com/~futuregen
My Email:doug_renz@Juno.com
Locality: Wolcott
State/ Prov: New York
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 29
Family, if any: Yes
Faith, if any: Christian Born again

Comments:
I'm currently recovering from serious spiritual abuse in a Sheparding/Discipleship movement church.



Thomas P. Smith - 11/20/98 18:46:12
Locality: Dixon
State/ Prov: Illinois
Country: USA
Faith, if any: Christian - Presby.

Comments:
Thanks for the message. I have never been involved with a cult but your words are well taken and your experience will help others.



Marsha Iddings - 11/20/98 16:11:46
My Email:mooseid@aol.com
State/ Prov: Washington
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 41
Family, if any: 2 children, husband & numerous extended family
Faith, if any: In Jesus Christ as Saviour & Lord

Comments:
Your story really touched me. Thankyou for sharing this! I am so glad you didn't throw God out of your life through all of this. So many would have. My husband and I belonged to a small fundamentalist Christian church for a few years. When my husband got sick and we were searching for answers, we got no support, only a trite little comment to "Give it all to God." We are so thankful we kept searching and finally have found a wonderful church where the people show true Christian love for one another. Once again, thankyou so much for sharing!



joseph rardin - 11/17/98 16:43:15
My Email:joerardin@hotmail.com
Locality: redding
State/ Prov: california
Country: usa
Approx. Age: 25
Faith, if any: gnostic

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you tell a very heartwarming story and you are to be comended for what you wrote. i think the girls parents were verry smart to question their churches belief system. its a tragedy what cancer does to people(i have 2 friends with cancer and 2 that have died of it allready) i found this website from a bookmark left in my school libraries computer and im glad i got to read it.



Melissa - 11/17/98 04:35:53
My Email:meemee30@hotmail.com
State/ Prov: GA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 30
Faith, if any: Christian

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It is great to see that you did'nt let this aweful experience with this deceptive cult turn you away from everything to do with God.i believe you now know the one true living God, and that God does heal but not always the ways we expect him to.i also want to say "God bless you all!" those are not empty words, but they are spoken in faith that God is moving right now!!! Amen

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I just have a question: What do you believe now? Do you go to church?



queta - 11/14/98 03:49:38
My URL:http://6079321
My Email:queta@flash.net.
Locality: SanAntonio
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: U.S.
Approx. Age: 40
Family, if any: 2 sons, Youngest of 7
Faith, if any: Catholic.

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No you did not fail her, It would seem her purpose in life was fullfilled. She was sent to teach... Just as my oldest who is handicapped has taught me and all my family,,, LOVE... Compasion and understanding.. I never stop learning from him.. He has been my salvation.. Doctors are great.. We never stop learning.....



Karen - 11/12/98 04:33:54
My Email:diego1@aol.com
Locality: San Diego
State/ Prov: CA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 42
Family, if any: Husband, parents
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
I pray, in the name of Jesus, that the Peace that passeth all understanding would be upon Debbie's family and that The Lord Jesus Christ would bless and keep them in this world. Love in Christ, Karen & Tim



Jim Thompson - 11/11/98 12:32:15
My URL:http://members.tripod.com/JamesThompson/Index.html
My Email:The_Fundamentalist@email.msn.com
Locality: Stoughton
State/ Prov: Massachusetts
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 46
Family, if any: 2 sons---21 & 24
Faith, if any: Independent Fundamental Baptist

Comments:
I find your site interesting, to say the least. I can empathize, because my eldest son is autistic, with the mind of a 2 year-old. His behaviour can be quite erratic at times, despite the medication he's on, and he can drive you up the wall when he goes o f on one of his tantrums. So, I have to be careful in how I deal with him because I never know when some stranger will sic the DSS on me. With DSS, you're guilty until proven innocent. Well, I know this is off the subject, but I thought you might be interested. In any event, check out my site. It has numerous links to material about various cults and anti-cult ministries. Perhaps you'll find something there of use to you.



Anna - 11/05/98 01:09:50
My Email:beceltic@aol.com
State/ Prov: CA
Approx. Age: Young Adult
Faith, if any: God - no organized faith

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I am sorry for the loss of your little girl. I was born into a cult /spirtual abuse situation and I am grappling with the effects on my life and of those I have grown up with. As I am learning it may be their fault but it is my responsibility to go on a d grow. I am sorry for your loss and for all of us who have experienced loss in the name of God.



Kathy Toon - 11/04/98 03:01:18
My Email:kathytoon@juno.com
Locality: Salinas
State/ Prov: California
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 45
Family, if any: 9 children + Dad
Faith, if any: Christian

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Spent 13 years in an abusive sect right here in Salinas. So sorry you lost your baby. We almost lost our minds. Not to mention 13 years of hardship financially. Who can really count the costs? The Lord knows we thought we were doing it for Him. Writ to me if you care to.



Bryan Dunn - 11/03/98 10:02:52
My URL:http://www.freeyellow.com/members/friendshipbaptist/
My Email:bryandunn@juno.com
Locality: Hartfield
State/ Prov: VA
Country: USA

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Excellent observaitons concerning God and science. Yes, our Lord is big enough to utilize men to help other men through medecine and loads of other means. Keep spreading the word!

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As a Foster parent, your story touched me. Sadly, it is not uncommon. I hope your message is heard by many.



Laurie Hobey - 11/02/98 04:21:08
My Email:LJeanHob@aol.com
Locality: MA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 45
Family, if any: Husband, son (3)
Faith, if any: Bornagain, word of faith

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I really feel for your family in this situation. I am sorry you all went through all of this. I don't think situations like this are simple. You did at the time what you believed was right. God honors that. I'm not against medicine but there are times people die even while doing all that medicine dictates. We don't know why these things happen but we know they are not the result of "sin". If that were true, sinful people in the world would all be sick. I myself suffered from manic depression which ran in my family. I suffered most right after getting saved at 18. I loved the Lord yet suffered horribly. Later I came to learn about healing, which I did not know then. I still take medicine. I know Jesus has healed me. I believe the Word. I know He loves me. I don't have all the answers but I do know He loves me unconditionally. We don't earn healing or anything else. I believe in faith but it can be over emphasized. It can even produce guilt and shame. I love my brothers and sisters in Christ yet have suffered from them. The people in your church probably did not intend evil. My heart is really with all of you. I will pray for all of you, and your former church,too. I believe in healing and medicine. However, even people who do all the "right" things still lose loved ones at times. God loves all of you and wants you to have peace in Him. You will find fellowship that is right for you and support. Leaving the old people doesn't mean you don't love them. It means you have needs that perhaps they don't have. Sometimes our path changes but we are one body in the Lord and love each other. May God bless you richly in His love and grace. I'm so sorry this happened to you all. Even great servants of God have lost children in death. Examples include TL and Daisy Osborn, who lost two children, one as a baby (illness) while serving as missionaries and one as a young adult to suicide/alchohol. Also, Oral Roberts and his wife lost at least one of their children in a plane crash. These were people who loved God, prayed, had faith, and were serving God. Of course, there are many others. God loves you and I pray He continues to bless you. Thank you for sharing your story. Lord, bless this dear family. Bless the church they came out of. Help all of us to heal and go on with You. Help all of us to love one another. Help this family to find support and fellowship and life in You. Amen. By the way, Annette Capps has some good tapes on spiritual abuse and these kinds of topics from a "faith" perspective (non condemning). You can get a catalog of her items at Charles Capps Ministries, PO Box 69, England, Ark 72046. They have a free publication, "Concepts of Faith" and a catalog of materials. I myself had to leave faith teaching totally for a few years. If this is not for you, please forgive me. I don't want to be insensitive. However, sometimes we search for whatever is true about something while discarding the harmful or the excess. Another good minister is Joyce Meyer, she deals alot with emotions and is more balanced than some. You can reach her at (Life in the Word) or at PO Box 655, Fenton, MO 3026. Another good minister who deals more with grace orientation is Malcolm Smith. Sorry I can't find addresses and phone #s now but will try later. I think there is something so priv te about losing a child that others who havent' gone thru it (including me) can't really fully understand. But I know God does not want you blaming yourselves for it. You did what you believed was right. He has forgiven you of anything that needed to be forgiven. He loves all of you and is interested in blessing you all and leading you. It is understandable to have grief and alot of emotions including denial, anger, depression, etc over something like this. Add to that the additional trauma of problems with the church (people you loved and trusted) and the attempted guilt of the accuser. I know God did not will your child to die but these things do happen. He doesnt want you to blame yourselves and in fact it was a complex situation. God bless you. Sorry if what I say is not helpful or is intrusive. I know God's love is unconditional and is more important than our faith or any thing we can do or say or believe. Bless you.



Judith H. Taylor - 10/30/98 22:24:40
My Email:judyt@norfolk.infi.net

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Dear Bob and Linda: I've been to your webpage and saw the picture of your children You have been truly blessed and I'm really sorry that you lost your daughter .. [But it is alarmist!!] I understand what you are saying about the "Faith movement" I was in a Word Church for a time and it also got legalistic. I now believe it is alright to go to a medical doctor, especially when I am not strong enough in some area t receive from God. I don't get condemned over it. At the same time healing is part of the atonement; a part that is for the most part unknown. Jesus does heal. I don't know why you lost your daughter. Job was a righteous man and he lost everything for a time also.... I've also heard of other cases l ke yours, in fact they have been widely publicized in the secular media. Do you know for sure that medical doctors could have helped your child? Why is it OK for people to die believing in medical doctors but it's not OK for them to die believing God? Just wondering ... Grace and Peace, Judy --

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Dearest Family, offering sincere condolences over the loss of Debbie. What a beautiful family of God. I pray that you will just understand your own humanity in all of this, and know that God remembers that we are all made of dust. He knows that we all gro and mature daily in Him, as we know him deeper and deeper.If any of us have never sinned, then we are free to cast a stone. But, alas, we are all sinners, saved by the grace of a loving God. Blessings and peace to you all. Be ever mindful that one day you will all be reuinted and with that Prince of Peace. Love to you all.



Tim Greenwood Ministries - 10/29/98 23:25:32
My URL:http://www.tgm.org
My Email:webmaster@tgm.org
Locality: Arcadia
State/ Prov: CA
Country: USA
Faith, if any: Lots of it!

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God bless you and your site!

Stop by and take a look!



Lauren - 10/29/98 07:43:16
My URL:http://www.botcw.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/misc.cgi
My Email:selbam@swbell.net
Country: USA
Approx. Age: older teenager

Comments:
First, I want to thank God for your web page, because I know he can use it to open other's eyes. With so many different sects and cults claiming Christianity, it is very hard to decide which are legit, and which are false religions. I pray that after realizing that your old church involved many teachings that were not of God, that you have found a church home that shares the Biblical Gospel. I also pray for all of your families continual growth in y'alls faiths, that your hearts may find peace and comfort in knowing that our God is a merciful God, daily giving us His grace. Please know that there is a difference in people trying to follow God's laws (those which he gave us in the Bible), and people creating rituals and practices and calling them of God. During Jesus ministry, before His death and resurrection, He tried so hard to get people to believe in Him and the Father, rather than the pharisee perscribed laws, which were not always in accordance with God's will. The Bible advises us to test everything, because there are false prophets among us. Numbers 6: 24-26!!! <>< lauren selbam@swbell.net



Fred Forsh - 10/27/98 14:48:38
My Email:fdforsh@bellsouth.net
Locality: Woodstock
State/ Prov: GA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 44
Family, if any: Yes
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
As a pastor of a AME Church, I have never been one to be "caught" up in religious fanatacism. I have believed, and I preach, that if we allow Jesus Christ to permeate our lives, that, alone will be powerful enough to transform non-believers. My heart bleeds for the loss of your daughter and my prayers continue for your strength and faith in God through Jesus Christ - NOT through some fanatical interpretation of scripture. I believe in the saving grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. His coming fulfilled the law. It did not destroy it. Thanks for sharing your story. May the Lord bless and keep you!!!



Brian - 10/27/98 06:14:49
My URL:http://www.webcom.com\briand.html
My Email:briand@cisi.com
State/ Prov: Ca
Country: Usa
Approx. Age: 38
Family, if any: Yes
Faith, if any: In Christ Jesus

Comments:
I can see that this has hurt you deeply. I have lost several family members and friend. I know that God can heal but often chooses not to. I work with children and adults with sever disabilities, some of my christian brothers and sisters often see these people as sinners or as weak. God did this to them for a reason. It is very very common among Christians to see things this way. I think the worst thing that ever happened to Christianity was the desire to win. The desire to beat everything and everyone, people will pull verses out of the air and offer false kindness to people and people die and go crazy. Your daughter may or may have not lived with early medical intervention as this kind of cancer is very aggressive. Should you blame yourselves, I don't know. Should you blame the group you were in it is really hard to say. I think it time to move beyond blame to healing. The courts and God will affix blame if needed. I wish you the best. You still have several other children. Dear family tell what happened to any who will listen. Spread it across the land. I also will suggest talking to Hank Hanagraph though I disagree with him on some points he does have a way of helping people who have been hurt by extreme groups or "cults". Brian



David - 10/26/98 02:06:28
Faith, if any: None

Comments:
You sound alot like my parents - totally self absorbed in Christianity and thinking yourselves holy. I didn't die from my parents abuse - but many days I wish I had. Your daughter can't hate you for killing her, she's rotting in the ground.



Tammy Molchan - 10/22/98 20:36:00
My URL:http://www.ncia.net/users/tmolchan
My Email:servant4God@hotmail.com
Locality: Berlin
State/ Prov: NH
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 37
Family, if any: Self
Faith, if any: Pentecostal

Comments:
Good to warn people of churches that steer you away from doctors and medications...etc because it's true while God does heal some supernaturally others He chooses to use doctors and medicine. It's God given knowledge. I would suggest that it be included s mewhere on the site that not all churches that believe in healing are cultic so as to not turn some that may be seeking the Lord away thinking that church is not a safe place, because there are many that are biblically based. You may have all ready got th t some where on the site but I just didn't have a chance to read it yet because I only have access to my computer while at work. God bless and take care! Tammy



Terri - 10/22/98 08:43:37
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4984
My Email:cathmomma@aol.com
Country: USA
Approx. Age: LATE 30'S
Family, if any: 2 SONS
Faith, if any: Roman Catholic

Comments:
I am so sorry for the loss of your beautiful child. I pray that God will comfort you, and grant you His peace. Your page is a lovely tribute to your daughter, and someday you will be joined with her in heaven. Blessings and love, Terri



Rev. Franklin Wilbur - 10/21/98 02:22:06
My Email:KBOB@MSN.COM
Locality: Orlando
State/ Prov: Fl.
Approx. Age: 43
Family, if any: big
Faith, if any: Baptist

Comments:
Praise The Lord! To God be the Glory for the things He has done!! I was truly blessed by your page. I wish that more parents would take the time out to read it. One thing that I have found in alot of different types of churches is that they try to bring t e focus onto the church and and the family in that order. What a waste of time. If they took time to really study God's Word (2 Tim.2:15), they will find that God created the family way before the church(Gen.2&3). And any man who will allow the church to ictate to him on how he is to govern his household(he is the priest of his home) the Word says that he is worst than an infidel. I hope that your family has recovered and since have grown in grace to where you are able to forgive those who was in control. Email me anytime,until the may the Grace of God stay with you and heaven smile upon you and yours. God loves you and so do I and there's nothing you can do about it but love me back!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS!!!



Sid Allsbury - 10/20/98 21:45:07
My URL:http://www.mo-net.com/~sidall
My Email:sidall@mo-net.com
Locality: S-W Missouri
State/ Prov: MO
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 55
Family, if any: We have 4 married children
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
I totally agree with your conclusion. I have tried to spare folks the grief you went through, but It makes me look unfaithful to people who believe as this group does. God can use "a little wine (medicine) for your stomach's sake." You're on the right tr ck. SRA



Michael - 10/20/98 21:27:02
My URL:http://www.drawinginhislight.com
My Email:mike@drawinginhislight.com
State/ Prov: IL.
Country: U.S.
Approx. Age: 46
Family, if any: Wife & Daughter
Faith, if any: Baptist

Comments:
I'm so sorry. But I believe that God is in control of all things. He has a plan for each one of us. That is if we choose to follow his plan. He will be with us always if we believe in Him. I will praying for your family. So God will keeps you all strong. In christ Michael



Pastor Lamar Denby - 10/20/98 19:02:38
My URL:http://www.gospelship.com/ldministries
My Email:lamar@lcc.net
Locality: Huntington
State/ Prov: TX
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 45
Family, if any: Yes
Faith, if any: Baptist

Comments:
I am truly sorry about the loss of your child. We have two daughters, a son, and two grandsons. The death of a son or daughter has to be a deep hurt, and my heart goes out to you. God's grace is so wonderful and overcoming. I suppose such a tradgedy as th s, you never completely recover, but HIS strength and love keeps picking you up and constantly wipes away the tears and pain. Our God is a healing God in more ways than one. Just keep your eyes upon Jesus, (Heb. 12:2). We get in trouble when we take our e es off the Lord and put them upon man. God bless you, and mercy from His throne. Pastor Lamar D.



tell - 10/20/98 14:39:06
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/9473
State/ Prov: IN
Country: usa
Approx. Age: 45
Family, if any: 1 daughter
Faith, if any: Christ(Yeshua)/other

Comments:
So sad. I would hope you do not lose your faith, in the true God. Your story as well as many others is the reason I still do not attend a church of any organized religion. Yes I have also been caught up in the cultish. And still found certain amounts o control and manipulation in the vast majority of mainstream denoms., I have tried to attend. They have all even lost the meaning of a simple gift, and of love. I have not heard of a one church/evangelist say ...we are full, we have enough, it's always. . Oh thank you so much for making us milliionaires.....give us more to hoard, then to live well above the rest of us , after we have given all, with no recoarse. But to be asked to leave a church when we start asking all the right questions. And here I thought I have suffered at the hands of the traditions of man. Guess I got off real easy. You can read my testimony at my lame page. There is more to it than that. Point is I have'nt encountered an organiztion/business yet that follows what I know. The love and compassion of our Lord, that has nothing to do with the twisted dogmas/big business/separationist/pharasees/self- servance/celebrityism/God in our pocket stuff of now-a-days. Thank God I was an atheist, not brought up this way or that. And that by his grace and love alone, I do not have to bow down/fit in at all cost, those traditions of man. Who pervert all they touch. Wow! did I need to vent or what? My heart and prayers are with you. As is the true Lord I know he is. Godbless N' heal you, tell



Joseph - 10/20/98 07:06:18
My URL:http://members.tripod.com/~nu_b1/index.html
My Email:nub1@angelfire.com
Locality: Hamilton
State/ Prov: Ontario
Country: Canada
Approx. Age: 47
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
Cults will abound and draw many people away from a true knowledge of God. I myself for a number of years was involved in a cult, but, unlike your experience it wasn't an off shoot of christianity. Still, deception is deception and I sorrow for your loss. f you visit my site's pages you will see that I have some strong viewpoints, yet for all that I challenge any that would agree with me too rapidly. Manipulation is sometimes a subtle tool in the hands of the enemy that can forge chains stronger than steel. The only safe course is to read the word and check all of scriptue to see whether the truth is being told, then to pray for discernment. What can I say? This is a hot issue for me and there isn't enough space to rite it here. It is my hope that God will meet you and thouroughly heal you from the effects of the ordeal that you and your family have endured. Continue to fight for His cause and may God bless you as you snatch from the enemy souls that he thought were his.



mindy mayhew - 10/20/98 04:01:56
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/9071/
My Email:mayhews@geocities.com
Locality: Richardson
State/ Prov: TX
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 25
Family, if any: husband and son (10weeks old)
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
Dear Shepherd family, I am sorry it had to take something so drastic for the Lord to deliver you out of the cult "church" you were a part of. But, even in the midst of Debbie's death you have a reason to be thankful...Jesus has proven that he is causing all things to work tog ther for good...Romans 8:28. My husband and I were once involved in the Word/Faith Movement which teaches that if you're sick or poor it's because you don't have enough faith. The Lord delivered us out of it through the ministry of Hank Hanegraaf. We a e very thankful! However, we are amazed at the way the Lord has been able to use us in the lives of others because of our experience. I'm sure He's doing the same with you. In Christ's Love, Mindy



Mike - 10/20/98 03:32:56
My Email:mdorton@mindspring.com
State/ Prov: Tennessee
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 48
Family, if any: wife, 3 children, 3Grandchildren
Faith, if any: Church of Christ

Comments:
I am very sorry for your tragic loss. I cannot begin to imagine the distress and anguish over such a loss as a child. Please don't lose your faith in God. He is above description, His love unequaled. When a loss comes to an innocent young child or a dedic ted christian suffers sickness, pain and even death. I find comfort in believing that maybe God knew that something was in the future of the one who died that might cause them to stumble and lose their soul and maybe that's why he allowed them to leave th earthly life. That is only my idea. I encourage you to study your Bible, accept it as the only inspired book and the only guide by which to pattern your way of life. Don't put your soul in jepordy by believing in man who can not back up every thing that e says and show it you, in context, in the Bible. While I believe that the Church of Christ is a Church that patterns itself after the Church for which Jesus died and established on the day of Pentecost, I also know that there are false teachers in congre tions of the Church of Christ and it is up to you to search the scriptures to find them out. I believe it was Jesus who said Wolves will come to you in sheeps clothing. The Church of Christ is not governed by a national headquarters, or a book of creeds, or it is it under the direction of any earthly man. It is a Church with many congreations overseen by local "elders" who are in the plural and, in accordance with the instructions in the New Testament. Remember that the we are governed by the New Testemen dispensation of time and will be until the second comming of Christ. Read, Study, Pray for knowledge and understanding so that you may some day enjoy the same beauty of Heaven that your precious daughter enjoys. In Christian Love Mike P.S. I will pray for you and your family.





Pam - 10/19/98 22:18:19
My Email:motown_40@hotmail.com
State/ Prov: North Carolina
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 15
Family, if any: mother, father, one sister
Faith, if any: a lot

Comments:
This page touched my heart. Pam